12 thoughts on “Updated New Covenant Confession of Faith

  1. Just wondering if IDS desires that this confession be the standard for New Covenant Theology? If so, Baptists would have second thoughts as the mode of baptism is given minimal importance. What is the position of IDS in reguards to the mode of baptism?

    Thank you

  2. The confession is just our best effort to put forth a confession of NCT. The section on baptism is our view, though not the views of many baptists. We will live with our view. Thanks so much for taking the time to comment. Geoff

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  4. A typo that needs correcting:
    Article 20, Oral Law, last sentence: ” It is most likely that these laws were past down to each succeeding generation.” The word “past” should be “passed.”

    A couple of comments on content:
    Art 20, Moral Law. You really don’t see laws against murder, theft, coveting, etc. at work as far back as Gen 2 and throughout biblical and post-biblical history? I do not line up with the Aquinas view of moral law, but I do see such a law at work in every age until the end of time.

    Art 26, Baptism: You say, ” Scripture does not require one particular method or mode of baptism.” Do you believe that Scripture portrays more than one mode? Do you believe that any given mode properly portrays the death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord? While Scripture does not command baptism by immersion, there is no other mode revealed therein nor is there any other mode that portrays what the ordinance is designed to portray.

    All-in-all, a very good confession. Many thanks for your work explaining and clarifying NCT. It is most helpful.

  5. Much thanks for the correction. I do not embrace the concept of moral law. Something is either law for today, under the Law of Christ, or it is not law. Regarding water baptism I would say that it is the meaning of baptism that is the issue and not the mode.

  6. I am very much a believer in New Covenant Theology. I would add a couple of things though. I would add something on the Covenant that God made with Adam before the Fall. “Like Adam they (the children of Israel) broke my covenant.” – Hosea 6: 7 What the Lord is saying through Hosea is that in the same way the children of Israel broke the Mosaic Covenant (Old Covenant), so too Adam broke the pre-fall covenant that God made with Adam. This is one of the two most important covenants in the Bible. When Adam broke the pre-fall covenant that God made with him he plunged himself and all of his descendants (Jesus was born of a virgin so he is not a descendent. He is of the woman’s seed not the man’s) into sin. The New Covenant is what Jesus ratified on the cross and is the one that guarantees our salvation provided we trust him.

    I would also say something to the effect that Adam was born saved. As long as he did not sin he would not loose what was given to him. The Bible does not say that if he did not sin he would gain salvation (See Abraham’s Four Seeds p 123). The so called and non existent Covenant of Works is an erroneous doctrine that was created by Zwingli’s disciple Bullinger.

    I would also say something to the effect that there is no where in the entire Bible that says God made a Covenant with Adam after the fall.

  7. An earlier comment I made was a bit too strong and so was not posted. I’ll rephrase it.

    There are ample verses in the NT from which “by good and necessary consequence we may deduce” that the Holy Spirit’s work is to conform us to the Lord Jesus Christ and that necessarily entails His purifying us in holiness in the moral law. If we are to put to death, by the Spirit, the deeds of the flesh which cause us to violate those moral laws, then it follows plainly that we know what the elements of the moral law are.

    Sure it needs to be elaborated, and it need not be done here. Suffice to say that the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is the principle on which we are gradually enabled to keep them, though never perfectly this side of the New Heaven/Earth.

    I love the NCT. But know that this dismissing of the moral law is its biggest Achilles heal. My suggestion to the NCT writers and those working on more thorough versions is to very seriously consider. If John Owen et al could find issues in the WCF as the WCF writers found in the Three Forms of Unity, and others in the 1689 LBCF could find issues in the Savoy Declaration, it is only inevitable that a fuller/accurate statement of the NCT will happen.

  8. Vincent,
    I agree with your comment regarding the work of the Holy Spirit. My concern is that the concept of moral law is not based on clear Scripture. We do infer thoughts from Scripture, but a biblical truth must at some point be established by clear Scripture. Thanks for your comments. Geoff

  9. Fair enough to not use the phrase “moral law”. We can use the 10 commandments instead Deu 4:13, 10:4. And others that clearly point to these 10, and not the civil or ceremonial ones. It is these laws that Jeremiah and Ezekiel prophesied of beig written in His people, and the Lord Jesus fulfilled, and the Lord is working in us now. One way or another, we need to get to the spirit of these laws, and hence the broad term “moral”. My concern is that simply using the phrase “the law of Christ” can be easily twisted knowing our depraved minds. I understand NC CoF is concerned with the use of the term “Sabbath”. That too is not a difficult issue. We do need to rest a day in seven, and as often as we meet (i.e once in seven days) to worship the Lord Jesus Christ, we recall his death, burial and resurrection, precisely in His work to eventually enable us to fulfill the 10 commandments. But, we agree, never perfectly this side. That is the glorious inevitable path of our sanctification.

    We will need to bring these in. A Christocentric and Christotelic confession simply cannot do away with the 10 commandments. Its absense in the NC Cof is a very big put off for anyone for whom Jesus Christ is the hinge of all things, for all time.

    I am glad to offer my help to look for NT verse that clearly teach the fulfilling of the 10 commandments. You have my email address.

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